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Mashable* � Blog Archive � Discussion: The Google of Social Networks? - Internet Entrepreneur Pete Cashmore on Web 2.0 and the Future of the Internet

Link: Mashable* � Blog Archive � Discussion: The Google of Social Networks? - Internet Entrepreneur Pete Cashmore on Web 2.0 and the Future of the Internet.

Pete is asking what the "Google of Social Networking" will look like. I wrote a comment on his post:

The power of Google was that it didn't require an actual human being to connect up a page.  No one had to submit their page, add it to a list, etc.

With social networks, there's never going to be a one stop shop.  I use LinkedIn for something, and Friendster for something else, but I can't get on the Facebook.   The real power lies in connecting the LinkedIn people to the Friendster people to the myspace people.

I have a social network.  I e-mail, IM, link tags /for on del.icio.us, Skype, etc. etc. etc...   but nothing ties all the people I contact togethere in a displayable fashion... nor does anything tie me to their friends, etc.  Frankly, nothing even ties in the people to themseves... my computer doesn't know the difference between Fred Wilson the Skyper versus an e-mail to Fred Wilson versus the guy I'm tagging links for. 

Someone needs to do what Google did to the internet, and what Indeed is doing to jobs.

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The power of Google stems from search results that are both automatic and relevant. [In fact, any robust Web 2.0 service – Pandora is another good example – should embody these two characteristics.]

Meanwhile, LinkedIn, MySpace, and Friendster – and all current generation social networks - are limited on both counts. LinkedIn can tell me that I have 450 second degree contacts – but it lacks any capacity to sort them intelligently and tell me who the people are that I might find most relevant. The onus is on me to sort through my contacts by keyword and piece together the relevance on my own. Furthermore, while I can search by companies and schools to seek out alumni connections, this really just gives me an opening line, and doesn’t help me know whether a more substantive basis exists on which to ground an extensive conversation. In short, the person initiating contact shouldn’t have to do too much work to sort their network, and both parties need to be assured of a meaningful basis for contact.

LinkedIn annoys people to the extent that it connects you without relevance. The basis for LinkedIn and Friendster’s automatic relevance is degrees of separation. But this has weaknesses – there are second degree contacts who I have very little in common with, while I am sure there are hundreds of people in the sixth degree and beyond that I would have plenty in common with.

Perhaps the next generation of social networks will find their basis in instant, spontaneously generated communities that are relevant. And I think del.icio.us, or some copycat thereof, will form the heart of the future of social networks. Del.icio.us functions as a sort of a grand professional personality profile. What if del.icio.us was mashed together with an algorithm that analyzed my tag titles and the content of the pages I have tagged in order to determine and rank my interests? A Pandora for people! The algorithm could look at my del.icio.us tags and the content of the underlying pages and determine that I’m interested primarily in languages, secondarily in Web 2.0 and international relations, etc... A mindmap or peoplecloud could then be formed of people with whom I share interests and this would be my personal community.

The service could then form an infinite number of spontaneous “intelligent” communities. In a sense, the idea is communities based on tagging (like consumating.com), except that a computer determines the relevance based on my history of expressed interests while exploring the web.

To broaden my horizons, what if I could press a button to see “the opposite of me” – users and communities that the algorithm determines I have the least in common with? It would be the human equivalent of the music that Pandora would play last. There would be an endless number of possibilities for serendipity and self-discovery. The computer could search tags and content of tagged pages for statistically improbable tags and content and tell me which interests or combination of interests make me unique.

Anyway, this comment is admittedly fuzzy, but then again, I guess if I had it all figured out, I wouldn’t be posting it publicly...

As I said in my post, it looks like aggregation may be the way forward. Both of you touch on this. From Charlie's comment: "nothing ties all the people I contact together in a displayable fashion." I think Gabe also touches on this when mentioning del.icio.us: "Perhaps the next generation of social networks will find their basis in instant, spontaneously generated communities that are relevant."

My feeling was that GoingOn Network would be the first to offer a truly aggregated social network, and after reading this new post by Marc Canter, I am sure of it...

"We've defined this 'solution' to your dis-organized digital lifestyle - as something we call a DLA (digital lifestyle aggregator.)

And here are some key assumptions:

1. YES - it's crucial to have a customizable dashboard - ala NetVibes. OK - so that's feature #1.

2. But the new paradgm of tools demands that it's tightly integrated in with an on-line community - so that means social networking. Feature #2.

3. THEN we gotta move beyond where the blogpshere is today - call it Structured Blogging, podcasting, microformats, Vlogging, Comet, Y! 360 - whatever - it's more than just publishing a block of text. Technically it's called microcontent publishing. Feature #3.

4. Then there's this thing called Identity. Check out what Dick Hardt has to say and then come back here and say - "OK - that's feature #4" - humans gotta control their data and decide what happens with their Attention and Identity.

5. Then there's these things called open standards. A crucial building block for forming an open mesh of developers - ALL who can benefit from the notion of DLA.

I could go on and on - but the point is "Yes - NetVibes rocks" - but it's just a start. That's what the GoingOn Network is all about."

More of that post here: http://marc.blogs.it/archives/2005/10/dla_expectation.html

Of course, as the first group to create a DLA, GoingOn has to do the hard work of figuring all this out. A later player in this area will have a much easier time of it, and may surpass GoingOn. Think about how easy it was for MySpace to trump Friendster, for instance.

But I think Gabe develops a lot of ideas I hadn't considered: what would the del.icio.us of social networks look like? Or perhaps our giant digital life aggregator could include del.icio.us links - and if so, where does the aggregation stop? Who's going to aggregate the aggregators?!

And I haven't even mentioned the possibility of using algorithms to do the heavy lifting, as Gabe suggests, but it's definitely something worth considering. On the other hand, isn't web 2.0 people powered?

Anyway, it looks like this conversation is starting to outgrow the comments - I'll maybe try to post on this later.

Just caught this post on TechCrunch (http://tinyurl.com/cwtba) regarding shared opml reading lists that might be relevant to the discussion –

TechCrunch editor Michael Arrington quotes Eric Lin:

“i could easily see this not only as a way to share my reading list with others i know, but also to be matched with others i don’t know with common interests. what if the system could match me with other people who have similar tech, music or lifestyle feeds as i do. it would be a fantastic way to make new connections as well as strengthen existing ones, and i could see communities forming around overlapping feeds. these communities might be stronger than those that form around a single website because they’d have more in common.”

Good idea. There are a lot of services and data sets that can be baked in and mined to determine relevance.

To make an analogy – and I’m not intentionally drawing on USV-backed companies for examples (indeed, I have no connection to the firm) – but from what I understand of behavioral targeted advertising (i.e., tacoda.com) – what can be thought of as Web 2.0 advertising - is that it determines relevance and creates audiences based on the “unconscious” online activity of web users.

To draw the analogy out, I see the future of social networks revolving around information that users generate through their web activity as expressed in “unconscious” del.icio.us tags and opml reading lists. In other words, I continually update and refine the relevance of my network through second-order activity that I perform while not expressly trying to build a social network. [To put a negative spin on it, it’s data mining of people – which sounds creepy when you word it out - and I suppose it’s why people have a somewhat negative reaction when they first have behavioral advertising explained to them. But as Eric's comment points out - it's very possible to have an enthusiastic reaction to the framework.]

Anyway, I don’t propose that this would constitute the sole basis of the future of social networking – just that it will form one of the components – along with attentiontrust/ikarma -that will differentiate it from previous iterations.

[Btw, there’s a good possibility that I’ve entirely mangled the concept of behavioral targeted advertising... I assume Charlie and other readers know more about this than I do, so please correct if the analogy is misplaced...]

I think the concept of behaviour-based advertising is a good one, and it gives us an idea of how networks like GoingOn could make money. But here's my point: an aggregator doesn't own any of the data, so the other social networks and feed providers could decide that they don't want to be aggregated. Another problem is that unless you both aggregate the data *and* add value, users can easily take their data elsewhere. If Bloglines stopped innovating for instance (some say it already has), I could take my OPML list elsewhere.

And you're right about the "second-order activity" - the formation of a social network should be automatic, not manual. It should be implied by your actions, not put into a bald statement like: "I request that Bill G joins my list of friends". Your Attention data might be used for this purpose, with your consent.

Well, I think it's clear from our comments that this is not a simple issue - social networks really cover everything that we label as "web 2.0". I still think the solution lies in aggregation, and I think GoingOn Network is right on track.

Perhaps the next generation of social networks will find their basis in instant, spontaneously generated communities that are relevant.
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